From: firstname.lastname@example.org (Jarle Aase)
Subject: Re: Grand Entrance
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Speedbyrd@yahoo.com (Speedbyrd) wrote:
>Yea, can never have too many pedo pals! huh?
I need to thank you for your strong commitment in this group. Most of
the replies you get are from pedos who are way too focused on their
desire for little boys to really understand the value of your
statements! Without you, and people like you, this group would soon
turn into a very pathetic place.
I've been reading this group from time to time over the past years,
usually to get some backgrounds for my discussions in other groups -
but also to learn a little more about pedophiles and "boy-lovers".
I do know how you feel. When I was in jail a couple of years ago -
there was a few pedos on the same block - and I truly hated them! I
did not harass them in any way (as many of the other prisoners and
guards did) - but I never talked to them, and I always kept myself as
far from them as I could get. Whenever I saw them, I instantly saw
them abusing some 5 - 6 year old children, in my mind. Old, fat,
smelly men, putting their filthy fingers on the bodies of innocent,
defenseless children. God how I hated those men!
The most disgusting one was a gray haired man in his sixties, serving
a six year sentence for raping a 6 year old girl. I would almost puke
when I saw his disgusting face. One night, he even appeared on TV,-
telling the world how sorry he was, and that he would seek help when
he got out, and stay away from children in the future. Yea. Right!
Like there was a single person in the country who did not know that he
would jump on a child as soon as he got a chance. (And, yea - he did,
as soon as he was released on parole, - whereon he immediately popped
up on TV again, telling how sorry he was and blah blah!).
So my friend, - believe me when I tell you that I understand your
I am however not impressed with the quality and precision in the
attacks on the pedo-scum. When I was released from jail, I decided to
learn a little about this topic, and actually signed myself in for a
one year membership with NAMBLA. That way I got their magazines, and
all the propaganda they throw out to the "boy-lover society". What I
have learned, is far, far from what I expected.
I am gay, and a former gay activist, gay radio-producer, and I ran a
gay disco for a while. I know a little about how gay people have been
oppressed trough the history. When I was born, sex between men was
illegal in my country, and homosexuality listed as a mental illness!
(Today I can have sex with any male from age 16, and "marry" any male
from age 18 in the very same country). I've read my history, and - as
a known homosexual in my community, I have taken more than my share of
harassment, threats and injustice.
What I learned, when I started to analyze the common accusations
against the pedo-scum, was that they were indeed very similar to the
accusations against homosexuals - accusations I knew for a fact were
false. Usually, the attacks were based on a "I know you're a filthy
pig, so just shut the fuck up!" basis - and had no consistency. Also,
the press coverage about pedophilia seemed very strange. One example:
There was a interview with some kids from Thailand about sex-tourism.
The kids were aged 11 - 14, - and expressed that they were happy with
the situation. They could "work" when and if the wanted, and buy
expensive clothing or electronics. After these unusual statements, the
journalist told alot about how these children were raped, abused and
destroyed - as if he never heard what the children themselves
expressed, just seconds before! Another example is the recent case
where a Norwegian pedophile were convicted to 14 years imprisonment on
Sri Lanka for abusing a 15 year old boy. What most of the Norwegian
press forgot to mention, was that there is no age of consent for
homosexual relations on Sri Lanka. All homosexual intercourse is
strictly forbidden. They also forgot to mention that homosexual
relations with 15-year olds is quite common among homosexuals, and is
not regarded as "pedophilia" in most European countries. (It's
perfectly legal in Sweden, Denmark, Holland and Spain, - just to
mention some EU countries). (Another matter in this case was that the
convicted man and the boy, both denied any improper activities. The
case looks very much like a "political statement". It's also worth
mentioning that if the boy had been 18, the Norwegian government would
have used heavy diplomatically pressure to have the man released).
Anyway. The press is a whore, - and what they say does not prove
anything. If they scream about "protecting children" of "child porn on
the Internet" - it seems like they do so to make a profit, - and not
because they have done any serious research. I digged a little deeper
into the threat pedophiles oppose to children. I read some research
material, some medical litterature, lots of articles, discussed the
matter on local newsgroups and also talked with some of the Norwegian
experts on these matters - and I was forced to totally change my point
I have not seen any clinical studies that support the idea that
sex with concneting children in itself is harmful. If children
are hurt, they are usually hurt by:
- Their parents, after the affair is disclosed.
- The legal system and "child support" workers
Children who are forced or lured into relations is of course
vulnerable to harm, - just as anyone else.
It seems to me that the common approach; that sex hurts children, is
false. If that is true, we have tens or hundreds of thousands of
political prisoners in the western countries - convicted for "crimes"
as foolish as "homosexual intercourse" or "believing in the wrong
During my studies, I also learned quite a bit about pedophiles. I
don't feel any hate against that group any more. They can't help their
feelings more than I can help my (homosexual) feelings. But they are
hunted down, much like the Jews just before WW2, - and there is no
place they can run, and noone who cares. Still, it seems like the
majority of pedophiles keeps their love for children a secret - even
for the children. They don't run around raping children, or doing any
other harm, as one could excpect from a group of people who risk
imprisonment simply for being who they are. Much of the real sexual
abuse against children is not committed by pedophiles, but by
religious nutheads who believe that they "own" their own children, and
that "God" permits them to fuck their sons and daughters.
So, why do I care?
This is where your commitment is significant. When people like you,
full of hate and ignorance, attacks a group of people whithout any
other reason then your own hatred, - then people like me, who actually
believe in the ancient ideas of freedom and justice, - will react. Not
because I support sex with children, or because I like pedophiles -
but because *I* feel hurt when innocent people are hurt. And you are
hurting people with your big mouth. People who has never harmed you,
anyone you know, - or even the children you want to protect.
I once shared your hate and ignorance, - but as I learned more, the
hate faded away, - and was slowly replaced with respect.
Charly Chaplin was once asked by a nazi if we were a Jew. He replied:
"No, I don't have that privilege". I used exactly the same words, when
I was asked if I was a pedophile in a discussion a while ago. And I
Until now, I have kept my arguing on this matter to a few groups on
the Norwegian newsgroups. Thanks to you, and your strong commitment, -
I felt provoked to a point where I deiced to enter the discussion on
this group, using my real name. I want to thank you for that, -
because I do believe that pedophiles and boy-lovers need to see that
there are people outside their own ranks who see them for who they are
- and who respect them for who they are.
Jarle Aase email@example.com
When we hate someone we are hating something that is
wihin ourselvs, in his image. We are never stirred up
by something which does not alredy exist within us.
Herman Hesse (1877 - 1962)